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Original research and POV editing in Cat predation on wildlife

In addition to this edit's [1] undue emphasis on old studies from the 1970s and 1980s, I also noticed this: (Songbird Survival) noted on its website in 2006 that "cats are frequently singled out as the primary reason for the disappearance of Britain's songbirds" and described the claim as unjustified. It decried the absence of numbers for cat predation on birds from the 1997 survey by the Mammal Society, and drew a comparison between the figure of 55 million birds killed annually by UK's suggested 9–10 million cats, derived from an estimate by Cats Protection, and the 100 million birds preyed on by the 100,000-strong UK population of sparrowhawks each year.... Did you really go back 20 years into their website's Internet Archive history to find this yourself? It looks like an attempt to discredit an organization's current views by posting apparently different views from decades ago, and that a lot of effort on your part apparently went into researching that. Geogene (talk) 16:07, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

You must be literally joking. VampaVampa (talk) 17:01, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

I am not. Geogene (talk) 17:04, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

What is your ground for questioning the accuracy of the information I added other than accusing me of acting in bad faith? I had known nothing about Songbird Survival before yesterday and looked into the Internet Archive for further background on the organisation's claims. You are free to correct my wording or my way of reporting the facts, but the onus is on you to demonstrate concretely that the information added is inaccurate or the reporting biased. Likewise, time of publication is not a criterion for judging scientific contributions. Did the relativity theory change Newton's account of gravitation because of its date or because of its critical input? VampaVampa (talk) 02:04, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

I've already explained this to you twice now, in the edit summary and on the article's talk page. WP:OLDSOURCES. As for the onus being on me, no the onus is on you to get consensus for the content, see the page link conveniently named WP:ONUS. Geogene (talk) 04:03, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

But I don't mind commenting on this diff some more An observational study of five free-roaming farm cats carried out over 360 hours during the winter of 1978–79 in Cornwall.... A WP:PRIMARY study of five cats over two weeks? In addition to being old, this is too small a sample group to take seriously. The selection of prey species was reported as consistent with contemporary findings from New Zealand (1971–73), which concluded that birds were a minor food source for cats except in novel island habitats is wrong, see the landmark 2013 paper in Nature [2]. The considerably lower degree of effort put in by inefficient hunters suggested that provision of "farm food reduced the need to hunt" is also wrong, some modern studies have found that feeding cats increases their hunting [3]. The Royal Society for the Protection of Birds points out that there is no scientific evidence for predation by cats to negatively affect bird populations in the country. is wrong because literature review I just mentioned said, that the negative effects of cats on wildlife is global in scope. Geogene (talk) 04:40, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

I will reply to you on the article's talk page since you have now substantiated your objections somewhat. I will just briefly summarise my position here: the guideline on the age of reliable sources says that older research "may be inaccurate" (emphasis mine). It may have been superseded but that cannot be taken for granted, the guidelines do not authorise any such assumption. If the older research has been invalidated, then it will be easy (and relevant) to demonstrate that matter-of-factly. There is in fact no need to delete older information because it will add to the value of the article to have an explanation of why it is (allegedly, for now) incorrect or superseded, and thereby increase our knowledge of the topic. VampaVampa (talk) 19:01, 26 May 2024 (UTC)